, but there is a chance... You are right though, it could be quite a dellemma... Now I could see the odds increasing if someone was to drift 2 lines rig with suckers rigs... Mike are you against the 2 rods only for Muskie or for all species?new regs
While trolling artificials, I think the odds of that would be slim and none , but there is a chance... You are right though, it could be quite a dellemma... Now I could see the odds increasing if someone was to drift 2 lines rig with suckers rigs... Mike are you against the 2 rods only for Muskie or for all species?
, but there is a chance... You are right though, it could be quite a dellemma... Now I could see the odds increasing if someone was to drift 2 lines rig with suckers rigs... Mike are you against the 2 rods only for Muskie or for all species?-
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I think sport fishing should remain sport fishing,regs should not cater to those that earn a living from it.
The use of 2 rods is essentially catering to this form of fishing
Sport fishing in my perception is one angler with one rod pursuing the element of the hunt in locating and capturing his targeted species in a sportsman like fashion which dates back to our ancestral heritage to the sport.
Goes against the very basic principles and fundamental values in conservation and preservation of any natural reproducing species under the guise of sportfishing
The use of 2 rods is essentially catering to this form of fishing
Sport fishing in my perception is one angler with one rod pursuing the element of the hunt in locating and capturing his targeted species in a sportsman like fashion which dates back to our ancestral heritage to the sport.
Goes against the very basic principles and fundamental values in conservation and preservation of any natural reproducing species under the guise of sportfishing
Marc,marc Thorpe wrote:I think sport fishing should remain sport fishing,regs should not cater to those that earn a living from it.
The use of 2 rods is essentially catering to this form of fishing
Sport fishing in my perception is one angler with one rod pursuing the element of the hunt in locating and capturing his targeted species in a sportsman like fashion which dates back to our ancestral heritage to the sport.
Goes against the very basic principles and fundamental values in conservation and preservation of any natural reproducing species under the guise of sportfishing
When you take a clients out.....do you run a rod for yourself?
RJ
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marc Thorpe
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Although I didn't say that I guess it could have been inferred and fair enough question it is HOF.hooked on fishing (HOF) wrote:Mike are you against the 2 rods only for Muskie or for all species?
I tell ya what. I wouldn't be too disappointed if there was regs specifying only one rod per person at any time on any body of water for any species. I'd still love fishing. I see merit in Marc Thorpe's comments.
What does that say about me running two rods on the Bay of Quinte for walleye? I like catching fish too.
Would I fish for bass with two rods? No! Too much mortality.
Would I run two rods for muskies if I was allowed? The selfish side of me says yes - I want to increase the odds of catching a whopper.
I find it is pretty tough being a human being at times.
Would I fish for muskie's by myself again? I prefer not to. Muskie fishing has definitely become a team sport for me.
Fishhawk
"gotta run like a madman bye thanks see ya good luck"
"gotta run like a madman bye thanks see ya good luck"
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Wall-I-Guy
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Well there's a few ways to look at this one. Two rods, sure I can see it in some cases, such as fishing the Great Lakes. The percentage of difference it would make in how many fish you catch I think would be very minimal.
I personally don't agree with 2 for Muskie in rivers and inland lakes but hey, mine's just an opinion, like yours.
You say keep the sport in fishing, doesn't using a fish finder or a GPS sway that just a bit too? Where do you draw the line? I'm not trying to start anything here, just asking a question.
The arguement could be made a GPS or FF do a helluva lot more damage. Why not just fish "by pure chance". Incidently, I love fishing like that when I just had my little tinnie!
Two rods on the GL's versus what the commecial fishery and "other" groups are doing to fish stocks is not even debatable..IMHO.
Wish I knew the answers..
I personally don't agree with 2 for Muskie in rivers and inland lakes but hey, mine's just an opinion, like yours.
You say keep the sport in fishing, doesn't using a fish finder or a GPS sway that just a bit too? Where do you draw the line? I'm not trying to start anything here, just asking a question.
The arguement could be made a GPS or FF do a helluva lot more damage. Why not just fish "by pure chance". Incidently, I love fishing like that when I just had my little tinnie!
Two rods on the GL's versus what the commecial fishery and "other" groups are doing to fish stocks is not even debatable..IMHO.
Wish I knew the answers..
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good input on this one! I always have half a dozen rods with me just to "cover off" changes of light weather etc etc. I only use one at a time and for me, it would be a develish business if i had to fiddle with two rods at the same time. I'm a one at a time kinda fisherman/person so what ever the new regs are, they would not have much effect on me anyway.
I just like to get out on the water and fish. If I catch good for me, If I don't well.. a good day trying anyway.
I just like to get out on the water and fish. If I catch good for me, If I don't well.. a good day trying anyway.
Life goes on
regs
i think the input that 2 rods cater to guides charterboats. thru surveysmnr. anglers have asked for the second rod. .. its not detrimental to the fisheries on walleye stocks or musky as many have imposed. if a guide is to run his rod and a big ole musky grabs his lure.WHO fights the fish. theres many for instances on all of our perceptions of sportfishing and thru the angler outreach meetings, mnr water surveys and surveys from the baitshops the general public has asked for the 2nd rod. as conveyed in an earlier post the commercial fishery has 99.4 percent of western basin quotas, sportfishing at .06 per cent. is asking for a fair chance is honest. as for st. clair, which would be inclded as zone 19. also in the surveys from the mnr 96.5 percent of muskies are released to fight another day. we are not talking of a small river or lake which cannot handle pressure st clair is approx. 22 by 25 miles alone
I never said it was illegal Marc....marc Thorpe wrote:Ya and its legal,just like 2 buddies switching turns
I find it splitting hairs to be honest....you can run an extra rod on the boat for a client to up his odds.....so what's the difference of me being able to up my odds?
My view......while trolling under main motor power....I'd like to see two rods be allowed....it has nothing to do with filling a limit faster either...it has everything to do with being able to try different things on those tough days out there.....
Casting...drifting....1 rod only....
RJ
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marc Thorpe
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Hi RJ,I dont think 2 rods per angler is comparable to my using 1 rod per angler including my own.
I dont always use 3 rods because we are 3.
Quite often I throw the favor in the fishes interest before mine.
To be quite honest the third rod can be a hastle more than anything else.
There's somewhat of a difference when I throw a legal rod out and using 2-3-4 rods per angler as is currently the situation on St Clair,to make matters worse they communicate amongst themselves to let each other know when the CO's are out via vhf channel bands.
As an example of the local flaunting of extra illegal cheat rods,one individual from Indiana was caught and fined for using 9 rods with 2 anglers! He did not learn this on his own,he practiced what he observed by local anglers.
There's a long history and true reason behind this debate
George,its always been a self fullfilling need for your area to have 2 rods instilled,was the very purpose for the creation and gathering of your chapter.
"i think the input that 2 rods cater to guides charterboats.
Thats correct George,the ones that will be self fullfilled the most is the commercial end of fishing
"thru surveys mnr. anglers have asked for the second rod."
Only in your area George and by your local lobbying
George like I said,instilling 2 rods per angler in your case for muskies,
Goes against the very basic principles and fundamental values in conservation and preservation of any natural reproducing species under the guise of sportfishing
Its quite evident you place your personal interest before the resource and the resident population of muskellunge which is know showing signs of stability.
I would not bolster your release methods too much,not what I would consider examplery.Seems the old beach boy tow in and toss em back in is prevelent in St Clair.
To even consider any resource can sustain the pressure does not place the fish into equasion.George I remember not 10 years ago when St Clair was turned into a nursery previously destroyed by over harvest,over exploitation from charter business and commercial fishing.Its now recovering,once again history of man kind repeats itself in finding ways of self sufficient ways of taking advantage of current highten population.
I think one guy said it best "Its not a production line"
The only reason 2 rods were cover blanketed on some great lakes was to cater to the ever growing salmon industry which is sustained by artificial stocking.
Remember other species are naturaly self sustaning and naturally propagated.
Mike you using 2 rods where legally alowed on Quinty says nothing negative in concerns to you respecting the law or resource.Possibly at one point if populations decrease,considering 1 rod per angler could be a viable tool in turning around potential population decrease.
Mike muskie fishing is a team sport no matter who you are.
Maybe I am old fashion,but the element of the hunt in all fairness is what keeps me going.
be well
marc
I dont always use 3 rods because we are 3.
Quite often I throw the favor in the fishes interest before mine.
To be quite honest the third rod can be a hastle more than anything else.
There's somewhat of a difference when I throw a legal rod out and using 2-3-4 rods per angler as is currently the situation on St Clair,to make matters worse they communicate amongst themselves to let each other know when the CO's are out via vhf channel bands.
As an example of the local flaunting of extra illegal cheat rods,one individual from Indiana was caught and fined for using 9 rods with 2 anglers! He did not learn this on his own,he practiced what he observed by local anglers.
There's a long history and true reason behind this debate
George,its always been a self fullfilling need for your area to have 2 rods instilled,was the very purpose for the creation and gathering of your chapter.
"i think the input that 2 rods cater to guides charterboats.
Thats correct George,the ones that will be self fullfilled the most is the commercial end of fishing
"thru surveys mnr. anglers have asked for the second rod."
Only in your area George and by your local lobbying
George like I said,instilling 2 rods per angler in your case for muskies,
Goes against the very basic principles and fundamental values in conservation and preservation of any natural reproducing species under the guise of sportfishing
Its quite evident you place your personal interest before the resource and the resident population of muskellunge which is know showing signs of stability.
I would not bolster your release methods too much,not what I would consider examplery.Seems the old beach boy tow in and toss em back in is prevelent in St Clair.
To even consider any resource can sustain the pressure does not place the fish into equasion.George I remember not 10 years ago when St Clair was turned into a nursery previously destroyed by over harvest,over exploitation from charter business and commercial fishing.Its now recovering,once again history of man kind repeats itself in finding ways of self sufficient ways of taking advantage of current highten population.
I think one guy said it best "Its not a production line"
The only reason 2 rods were cover blanketed on some great lakes was to cater to the ever growing salmon industry which is sustained by artificial stocking.
Remember other species are naturaly self sustaning and naturally propagated.
Mike you using 2 rods where legally alowed on Quinty says nothing negative in concerns to you respecting the law or resource.Possibly at one point if populations decrease,considering 1 rod per angler could be a viable tool in turning around potential population decrease.
Mike muskie fishing is a team sport no matter who you are.
Maybe I am old fashion,but the element of the hunt in all fairness is what keeps me going.
be well
marc
regs
marc your mis-conception of angling with 2 rods is based on a flawed and a non information education on st clair and its region. as i take you have never been to this region other then seeing southern ont on a road map.
the take on indiana anglers fined , good they broke the law.when you state they as local anglers read a map they are u.s. citizens .the true reasoning behind this debate is yes the people want the 2nd rod. local means from sarnia ont to windsor , not a select group as you perceive. . as for you to make the statement the belle river chapter of muskies canad was soleformed for the self fullfillment of 2 rods is truth to your being out of the loop.. our group has implemented catch and release thru numerous civic minded enhanchment thru local debies fishing seminars, signs and donations. we are involved with kids for cops, deerbrook kids fishing seminars and outing. this is to show the public on catch and release and proper release and handling. a very low blow there for sure.
as the recovery which is not , wqe always have had a VERY viable musky population with the exposion since the mid 1980,s.. mother nature has given us this and it has been well looked after. So well our former biologist from the mnr actually stated TOOmany fish. as 96.5 fish are released to fightanother day, and sharing the lake with michigan that does have 2 rods the fishery is very viable to accept the second rod. . so in closing maybe im blind everybody must be a guide or commercial charteboat operator in this region. obviuosly the general population of anglers have spoken, not a select few. so until you actually come to see this fishey, even enjoy it you have a bad per-ception of the dedicated sportmen and woman in southern ontario.
the take on indiana anglers fined , good they broke the law.when you state they as local anglers read a map they are u.s. citizens .the true reasoning behind this debate is yes the people want the 2nd rod. local means from sarnia ont to windsor , not a select group as you perceive. . as for you to make the statement the belle river chapter of muskies canad was soleformed for the self fullfillment of 2 rods is truth to your being out of the loop.. our group has implemented catch and release thru numerous civic minded enhanchment thru local debies fishing seminars, signs and donations. we are involved with kids for cops, deerbrook kids fishing seminars and outing. this is to show the public on catch and release and proper release and handling. a very low blow there for sure.
as the recovery which is not , wqe always have had a VERY viable musky population with the exposion since the mid 1980,s.. mother nature has given us this and it has been well looked after. So well our former biologist from the mnr actually stated TOOmany fish. as 96.5 fish are released to fightanother day, and sharing the lake with michigan that does have 2 rods the fishery is very viable to accept the second rod. . so in closing maybe im blind everybody must be a guide or commercial charteboat operator in this region. obviuosly the general population of anglers have spoken, not a select few. so until you actually come to see this fishey, even enjoy it you have a bad per-ception of the dedicated sportmen and woman in southern ontario.
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marc Thorpe
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Morning George,actually I've been closer than you think I have,not just on a map. 
(I like your sense of humour)
Keep in mind,I know more than you think I know about St Clair
Dealt with issues on both side of the boarder in concerns to many things.
(2 rods,tournaments,kill tournaments,articles published,diseae,counter fighting between organizations and the list goes on and on)
Not discreditting the chapters high quality involvement in the community.
Just stating the roots of its beginning,simply because it has always been the first issue on the agenda since its conception,thats fine.
I just dont agree with it
Catch and release existed before the chapter.
Ive followed the fishery quite close,keep in mind who my fishing style mimics.... The Late Homer Leblanc
I have no desire to fish it,not putting it down,just no interest
I guess the message in my responses is dont take for granted a healthy resource because mother nature has all say.You'd hate to face red spot disease,die offs like in the St Lawrence, or some foreign invasive bacteria that could decimate the entire population.
96% release,thats nice,You dont know your post mortal figures
Like all fisheries,they are tittering on the brink of disaster by our own doing
George face it,you have currently way more problems to correct before thinking of fullfilling ones need for an extra rod
Michigan catch and kill contest,Belle River minimum 50 contest,illegal trolling of rods,miss handling of fish and proper release methods
Not putting the big pond down,just making obvious the obstacles you must surmount before you should think of 2 rods.
I am sure and convinced that ovetime the chapter should be able to accomplish positive changes ,maybe yourself also before promoting the use of 2 rods.
be well
marc
Leave your smiles on shore
(I like your sense of humour)Keep in mind,I know more than you think I know about St Clair
Dealt with issues on both side of the boarder in concerns to many things.
(2 rods,tournaments,kill tournaments,articles published,diseae,counter fighting between organizations and the list goes on and on)
Not discreditting the chapters high quality involvement in the community.
Just stating the roots of its beginning,simply because it has always been the first issue on the agenda since its conception,thats fine.
I just dont agree with it
Catch and release existed before the chapter.
Ive followed the fishery quite close,keep in mind who my fishing style mimics.... The Late Homer Leblanc
I have no desire to fish it,not putting it down,just no interest
I guess the message in my responses is dont take for granted a healthy resource because mother nature has all say.You'd hate to face red spot disease,die offs like in the St Lawrence, or some foreign invasive bacteria that could decimate the entire population.
96% release,thats nice,You dont know your post mortal figures
Like all fisheries,they are tittering on the brink of disaster by our own doing
George face it,you have currently way more problems to correct before thinking of fullfilling ones need for an extra rod
Michigan catch and kill contest,Belle River minimum 50 contest,illegal trolling of rods,miss handling of fish and proper release methods
Not putting the big pond down,just making obvious the obstacles you must surmount before you should think of 2 rods.
I am sure and convinced that ovetime the chapter should be able to accomplish positive changes ,maybe yourself also before promoting the use of 2 rods.
be well
marc
Leave your smiles on shore
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M.T. Livewell
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I like this only because musky are so elusive, and musky lures are so expensive. Nice to get a chance to clean a few of $20+ lures once in a while.RJ wrote:My view......while trolling under main motor power....I'd like to see two rods be allowed....it has nothing to do with filling a limit faster either...it has everything to do with being able to try different things on those tough days out there.....
Only concern here is if a guy is fishing alone gets a double header ... however unlikely, it would spell certain disaster for at least one of the fish.
M.T. Livewell
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steve-hamilton
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should have watched Drifter Charters working the Thames River with six rods out.
sure they had four clients (i assume), but boy was it interesting watching them control all the rods....never stopped when they hooked, faught, landed, or released a fish though...just kept plowing up the river.
i have hit double headers salmon fishing, while fishing solo, and it sure is a chore....salmon are stupid, all they do is run in a straight line, so they can be managed...i would not want to try and land a double header muskie while fishing solo.....
lots of guys cheating on the Thames....Dave and I saw one solo angler with two rods out, and i swear he was casting from the front of the boat with a third while he was trolling.
sure they had four clients (i assume), but boy was it interesting watching them control all the rods....never stopped when they hooked, faught, landed, or released a fish though...just kept plowing up the river.
i have hit double headers salmon fishing, while fishing solo, and it sure is a chore....salmon are stupid, all they do is run in a straight line, so they can be managed...i would not want to try and land a double header muskie while fishing solo.....
lots of guys cheating on the Thames....Dave and I saw one solo angler with two rods out, and i swear he was casting from the front of the boat with a third while he was trolling.