definition of immediate release.

[Doug]

What size of pin

The standard size on which angels dance, of course.

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-8947 ... d-of-a-pin

Doug

[Bass Addict]

The standard size on which angels dance, of course.

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-8947 ... d-of-a-pin

Doug

Finally ...another Fish-Hawker with some common sense.........

[wolfe]

Oh boy....the natives are getting restless!

Softwater, c'mon!

W.

[JZ]

Sorry to revive the thread but I recieved a reply back from the MNR.

I think its a stupid rule however officially pictures not allowed. End of thread. See below....

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The definition of immediate is "to accomplish without loss or interval of time", therefore measuring or taking a picture would cause an interval of time and not be allowed.



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Message: Can I have clarification on definition of immediate release. Specifically if I catch an out of season fish or a fish that needs to be returned because of a slot limit. Would I be allowed to take a picture of the fish before release provided it was done quickly?

[slop]

What about all these Muskies that we see photos of from the Ottawa(Zone 12 while in season), that are not greater than the 137cm/54in minimum.

[Mike M]

Guess we can expect to see a lot of charges laid against TV fishing hosts that spend 5 minutes talking about the fish they just caught while holding it out of the water

[joco]

slop.

i braught that up to about the size. for few tread page here in this tread...page 3

Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:47 am Post subject:

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just a little something to had.

its been talk before.

an OOSF out off season fish is an iligal fish.

an OOSF out off size fish is the same exact thing and iligal fish no deference there still both illigal by law.(ex musky under 52inch out off ottawa river)

so all the musky caught under 52 inch on that river should not be pictured and post the same exact thing..both are iligal fish...can you keep them ono or the other nope..so put back as soon as possible no pict taken.

99.9 musky out off thr river we see here are iligal fish.by the way..if you look that way.pure and simple and nobody can say deferently

thats is the law.

but again gray area. in this.

but i saw so many out off size ligaly fish out off water for a long period just to make sher to take a lot off pict...



joco

this is a bit.. ..becasue to no if its a legal fish you have to meausre it..same for walleye where there size limit or lakers in few lakes up here..

like i said before they might not guive a ticket..but it guive them a bit more power to do so if someone do take to mutch time..and this is ok.

joco...we been talking about this and its a good point that we braugh up

[almontefisher]

What about all these Muskies that we see photos of from the Ottawa(Zone 12 while in season), that are not greater than the 137cm/54in minimum.

Interesting point. Does immediate release only pertain to OOS fish or also fish that do not make slot sizes?? Because how does one measure a fish to confirm slot size if they have to

The definition of immediate is "to accomplish without loss or interval of time", therefore measuring or taking a picture would cause an interval of time and not be allowed.


Atta go slop now we have a sub topic to the main topics topic.

[Todd B.]

Does immediate release only pertain to OOS fish or also fish that do not make slot sizes?? Because how does one measure a fish to confirm slot size if they have to

As mentioned previously, the MNR uses the word "Immediately" throughout the regulations without a concise definition. The following excerpt clearly implies that you can handle a fish to determine whether it is of legal size or not.

NOTE: If you catch a fish in a restricted size range, you must release it immediately

[almontefisher]

Does immediate release only pertain to OOS fish or also fish that do not make slot sizes?? Because how does one measure a fish to confirm slot size if they have to

As mentioned previously, the MNR uses the word "Immediately" throughout the regulations without a concise definition. The following excerpt clearly implies that you can handle a fish to determine whether it is of legal size or not.

NOTE: If you catch a fish in a restricted size range, you must release it immediately

I don't know Todd this quote...The definition of immediate is "to accomplish without loss or interval of time", therefore measuring or taking a picture would cause an interval of time and not be allowed.

He states that measuring a fish would not be allowed so has he just caused a huge E&O issue for the MNR by creating a precident. So by his definition how do you determin that the fish is not in the slot size. I know most men like to think things are larger than they appear or smaller and most people can not deduce measurment exactly. So what does this now mean. We can not and should not measure any musky because it may be out of slot and as defined an illegal catch or do we say that we thought it was big enough because I could not measure it?? I know I am going way beyond the interpretation but is that not what a lot of people do??

[joco]

i am wit almontefisher on this.

its not legal to measure but you have to.......mmmmmmmm

but i tell you guy...you dont realy have to measure any musky in the ottawa river because.

99.998 are illigal fish anyway. ..so put them back and no pict..mmmm not sher about this..but legaly by what they say it would be .not legal to do so.

joco

[mblaney]

How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

Took a while but I solved it. The answer is three.

Use the following formula


where i is the imaginary unit.

[mblaney]

Ooops, forgot to carry the one. The answer is actually 2!

For Arcangels the answer would be three (Hamiltonian operator is 1 for regular angels).

[joco]

mblaney


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[Bobber]

Although this has gone 5 pages now, I don't really think it's going to be solved unless there is a clear definition provided by the Ministry, which I don't think we're going to get.

I think the bottom line is that this is just one of those things which is up for interpretation by the angler. We can continue to split hairs to prove each other's points of view, but unfortunately it's not going to get us anywhere.

It is a good topic for discussion though, and if nothing else, it may have changed the way some people look at the definition and conduct themsevles in the future. Who knows really, but thanks for the discussion.

cheers,