Pre-detonation

[mikemicropterus]

Here's a comment I found very interesting when a neophyte was giving advice on a thread.


PRE-DETONATION


What the heck is that?????

I have head of pre-ignition and detonation but never pre-detonation must be one of those internet made up words.

This is one of the reasons you sometimes have to watch the advice you are given on the internet. Some guys spend most of their days glued to the monitor eating and digesting nonesense then regurgitating it as their own dogma to come across as if they were an expert.

BEWARE OF THE INTERNET

[moonshine]

actually pre-detonation is a term describing a reaction similar to dieseling. diesels work on high compression. if you have a high compression motor it could pre-detonate. meaning combustion can happen before before the spark.

[fiiish]

What do you mean? Are you calling the internet a liar?
Everything I know I learned on the internet.

[fiiish]

pre-det·o·na·tion –noun

1. the rumble you feel in your stomach before the gas is relieved.

[cprince]

And at what point did you step in to help?

Allow me to help.. you are obviously referring to a post I made to try and help a fellow fish-hawker where I said:

"...Just be careful if they are the wrong plugs, the spark may be too hot and cause what it called "Pre-Detonation" messing up your timing making the motor run like garbage.."

(http://www.fish-hawk.net/hawktalk/viewt ... detonation)

Other than sneering and snickering about the wrong term being used... could you tell me what else is wrong with that advice? I don't mind being wrong... that is how I learn.

I know that I should have said "Pre-Ignition". Do you know what is? If you do, then your post is obtuse because you know exactly what I meant.

Instead of criticizing someone trying to help others, why don't you help educate or otherwise contribute in a tangible and concrete way?

I NEVER claimed to be an expert. I am just someone who messes around with outboards in my back yard. My education and work experience did not include 2 stroke motor repair and internal combustion engine theory.

If this is you regular and preferred form of self affirmation, then please, by all means... carry on.

Craig

[mikemicropterus]

Craig, if you don't know then why do you post??

I have been doing motor repairs for more than 30 years. I do not consider myself to be an expert but just very very knowlegdeable.

As far as self affirmation, your term, mine is garnered from the success my step-daughters achieve through out their lives with my and their mothers carefull guidance.

I don't get it from posting nonesense and doublespeak everyday on this website like some do.

I have stopped posting technical advice because some don't appreciate the advice and when you anger the clique which resides here it can be very amusing.

A while back there was another guy like you with just enough intelligence to be dangerous. Lots of his buddies still on this site and if I commented on his posts it was like battling the spanish inquisition. It was almost a competition and I got tired of the pettiness. I have some computer work to do to-day that's why I am following up on some past threads I found amusing. It seems you have an opinion on everything and also the time to voice or type that opinion.

Here's what is wrong with your advice, leave it to the experts next time.
And if you don't know then don't comment. Pretty simple but if you are looking for self-affirmation then you will post what ever you think whenever you think it and it may be based good intelligence or it may be based on that funny feeling you got in your alimentary canal.

If I was to critizise you, it would be more scathing than this. And if you don't know the proper terms there is a marvelous search engine called GOOGLE. A simple search would have gotten you this link.

http://www.streetrodstuff.com/Articles/ ... etonation/


Read and learn and if your not sure stay silent at least the deficiencies in your responses won't show through to more educated readers.

Just trying to help you with your affirmation. Some very friendly advice.


OH ya I got my self-affirmation on Newboro last weekend. If you want to see the pictures go to, http://www.bassanglersofottawa.com/

or http://www.fish-hawk.net/hawktalk/viewt ... 162#327207
I don't get it from posting on this site.

[bm_attar]

I don't get it from posting on this site.

Of course you don't:
http://www.fish-hawk.net/hawktalk/viewtopic.php?t=27923

BM

[mikemicropterus]

Hey bm don't be like the other guys, I don't know you. And that post was in response to bobber asking me to inform the readers as I was in the past a info partner with fish-hawk.It was posted 2 years ago not in the past couple months. If you do a proper search but I guess that might ruin your point you can find some articles I wrote just for fishhawk members for their edification not self-affirmation.

As I said before I don't get self-affirmation from posting on fishhawk. If I need self-affirmation I'll stand in front of the mirror and tell my-self how great I am.

I see the clique is rearing it's ugly head again. Oh did I say clique. yes I did. Are you part of the that club too???

[bm_attar]

I am sorry. I think you got my post the wrong way. I saw cprince tried to help someone as much as he could, while you didn't. Yet you found the time to start a new post just to attack him. We can argue here forever, but if you were to give it a little thinking, I think (and that's just my opinion) you owe him an apology, but this is up to you. No hard feelings.

I don't know him and we never met. So, no, I am not part of his clique.

BM

[moonshine]

if you want some professional advise, go to a marine and pay the big bucks for it. there are people on here who will have opinions and ideas that just like to help people. i am always hesitant to give opinions or advice. a professional in the field of marine electronics i am not, but if i was, i would welcome your $90 per hour submittal. for anyone else my opinions and ideas are still free.

[mikemicropterus]

bm, you do have a point, an apology might be also given to the guy who started the thread. What if cprince's advice was all wrong and it cost the guy more money. The only apology I will give is to say I'm sorry cprince you don't know more about fixing outboards.

I don't post anymore because lots of times it's the same damn questions and nobody bothered to do a search and also I make a living fixing engines. Do you do your job for free???? I don't think so.

I agree with moonshine take it to a marine shop and let the professionals fix it.

One of the reasons really good mechanics get a bad name is from backyarders thinking they know how to fix something when they don't.

I've taken many years to get to the position I am at now and I know alot so if someone wants an answer then there are things called PMs. And bm my labour rate is not $90/hr it's only $70 and with that you get a merc certified, Johnson/Evinrude master tech working on your motor and that's more experience for less money that you would get at most shops in this area.


I'm done here got work to do. Later

[moonshine]

ummm, mikemicropterus, you started this thread

[cprince]

Craig, if you don't know then why do you post??


Just trying to help you with your affirmation. Some very friendly advice.


OH ya I got my self-affirmation on Newboro last weekend. If you want to see the pictures go to, http://www.bassanglersofottawa.com/

or http://www.fish-hawk.net/hawktalk/viewt ... 162#327207
I don't get it from posting on this site.

Congrats on your success at Newboro! Seriously... I am happy for you.

As for this odd thread... I don't quite know what to make of it. The thread title told me that it sounds interesting. The content feels a little like I was being baited.

I do find this site an interesting and rewarding place to post. I have met a few like minded individuals I would not have met if I did not post my opinions as often as my current station in life affords me to.

I live with my 3 daughters, my wife and two in-laws over 75 years old. It is quite nice to be in contact with people who are closer in age and interests... I suppose that is what I get out of this site.

I am still quite bewildered about your attack. Not certain what I did to garner your ridicule. From what I get out of your responses it is because I post too much...?

I'm sorry.

Is it also because that I am wrong sometimes?

I'm sorry for that too.

I'd rather be right.

I think that your corrective measures would have been better received if they were put in the thread in question. If you have 30 years of experience, then share it with us! This is how I learn. You obviously have a lot to contribute!

Instead, you seem to have taken the track to ridicule, mock and just be a jerk. I doubt that you are in real life. Most people aren't.

Again.. I find it bewildering that someone with such experience would chose this classless, counterproductive and petty method.

I can admit when I am wrong. Never a problem with that. I will learn more from being wrong than you could ever learn from being a dick.

Craig

[moonshine]

Craig, if you don't know then why do you post??


Just trying to help you with your affirmation. Some very friendly advice.


OH ya I got my self-affirmation on Newboro last weekend. If you want to see the pictures go to, http://www.bassanglersofottawa.com/

or http://www.fish-hawk.net/hawktalk/viewt ... 162#327207
I don't get it from posting on this site.

Congrats on your success at Newboro! Seriously... I am happy for you.

As for this odd thread... I don't quite know what to make of it. The thread title told me that it sounds interesting. The content feels a little like I was being baited.

I do find this site an interesting and rewarding place to post. I have met a few like minded individuals I would not have met if I did not post my opinions as often as my current station in life affords me to.

I live with my 3 daughters, my wife and two in-laws over 75 years old. It is quite nice to be in contact with people who are closer in age and interests... I suppose that is what I get out of this site.

I am still quite bewildered about your attack. Not certain what I did to garner your ridicule. From what I get out of your responses it is because I post too much...?

I'm sorry.

Is it also because that I am wrong sometimes?

I'm sorry for that too.

I'd rather be right.

I think that your corrective measures would have been better received if they were put in the thread in question. If you have 30 years of experience, then share it with us! This is how I learn. You obviously have a lot to contribute!

Instead, you seem to have taken the track to ridicule, mock and just be a jerk. I doubt that you are in real life. Most people aren't.

Again.. I find it bewildering that someone with such experience would chose this classless, counterproductive and petty method.

I can admit when I am wrong. Never a problem with that. I will learn more from being wrong than you will learn from being a dick.

Craig

Craig, I and many others appreciate your input. sometimes whether someone is right or wrong makes no difference. sometimes hearing ideas and suggestions from others makes for a good sounding board.
You truly HAVE class and you are one of the people on this site that i look forward to contributing to posts.

[Bass Addict]

Lots of his buddies still on this site and if I commented on his posts it was like battling the spanish inquisition. It was almost a competition and I got tired of the pettiness.

I still smile at the comment about MARIJIUANA =Kills your brain cells........