Keep those fish!!!............At least the smaller ones!

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:lol: :lol: :lol: Bacon: If a big bass splashes in the water but you're not there to hear it.............is there any noise?? :oops: :oops:

If you don't see it, is it really there?? :roll: :roll:

How do we know that air is not wet, and water is in fact dry??

Would you like some of this stuff I'm smokin?? :wink: :shock:

:lol: regards; Jigs. :wink:
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Well I'm still a catch and release guy for the most part. Besides, it seems like every time I'm out there's at least one (or more) ignorant (i.e. don't know, don't care or can't read the regs) person fishing that tosses everything they catch (and I do mean everything) into the bucket to take home. They can have my small fish quota. LOL
"There wouldn't have been any butt kickings if that stupid death ray had worked."
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Bacon, just following this thread and I feel that the only one that could keep all he catches and not affect the fishery is MT.
:lol: :P :lol: :P :lol: :lol: :P

That is the most true :wink: ..or I mean the funniest thing I have ever heard!
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CB, comment about the company being important is right on. That fact was evident in the looks in your pictures. As fo the argument, I think a little common sense will go along way to making sure the fishery survives. You throw in a little conservation and mix in a little replenishing of the resouce, with clamping down on the guys that like to throw in 3 and 4 lines at a time and I'm sure it will stay healthy.

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You Betchya U.L.

Jigs....Whoa...... :? :? :?
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Bacon, just following this thread and I feel that the only one that could keep all he catches and not affect the fishery is MT.
Oooh, that hurts. Probably very true, but ouch.
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(But don't tell my wife ... sshhhh, she thinks I'm great) :roll:

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Oooh, that hurts. Probably very true, but ouch.

(But don't tell my wife ... sshhhh, she thinks I'm great)
Man your a great sport buddy!!..Gotta love ya!!
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Sorry MT :cry: :cry: :cry:

Just Joshin :lol: :lol:
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I can't believe it :shock: .

A writer for Honey Hole magazine and Key Puckett (the drag boat racer) put together an article based on "studies done by the Department of Fisheries and Aquatic Sciences at the University of Florida in 1999", with no other supporting references and then make such comments as:

"Big fish that have been trained not to bite lures need to be removed from the lake" :shock:

The emphasis on 100% catch and release was replaced by "selective harvest" years ago. And no-one, not even a bass-lover like I am, can condemn other anglers who want to take some smaller fish home for the table. But selective harvest NEVER proposes: "Big fish that have been trained not to bite lures need to be removed from the lake"

Let's keep in mind, too, that studies done in Texas or Florida have about as much relevance to our fisheries in Ontario and the U.S. northeast, as do studies done in Mexico or Japan.

Hopefully not too many anglers in this area will not be influenced by this article. And hopefully, in the future, Honey Hole will try and interview and quote someone that has considerably more credentials when putting together articles on fish biology. :lol:

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Post by lungelarry »

Once again CCB sums it up right.....Florida freshwater fishing is mostly bass,they grow all year,they have few predators, to compare this to Canadian bass is ridiculous.
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Hello,
I think the point that we need to think about, putting the Fl thing aside, would a selective harvest make for a better fishery?

My intuitive sense would saw yes. By thinning out smaller fish, more food should be available for the remaining group. Growth rates should increase, and we all like having the chance to catch a few lunkers.

The problem comes in that some lakes get hit hard while other I believe may be over populated with small fish.

CCB, I do believe that the tracking of fish taken from tournaments and then returning to their home territory has been duplicated in several studies. Also what are your comments on the fish taken from tournaments, shipped by truck, and then caught the next day?

Just some thoughts. I do not think we can just ignore research because its not in our back yard.

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Hi Grump:

There have indeed been several studies that show tournament caught fish often return to the catch site. There have been studies carried out by Queens University on the Rideau system (Big Rideau) done with the co-operation with a local bass club that confirms several other studies. Smallies tend to race back to their home waters while largemouth take a more leisurely trip. Some fish do not return, though, if they find suitable habitat (cover and FOOD) in their wanderings.

I have done a lot of reading of John Hope's studies over the years. The home ranges of largemouth and the daily routes they travel (especially at night) made for very intreresting reading. Good stuff.

I'm not surprised that tournament-caught fish, when released into other waters, could be caught the next day. I have often caught the same fish on consecutive days and even caught the same fish four times in a matter of a couple of hours. Smaller fish have to be aggresive in order to grow, and properly handled bass normally suffer no ill effects from being caught.

Selective harvest is a valuable process where it is required. However, most eastern Ontario waters have an abundance of prey species and the fisheries are healthy as is. A good mix of quality fish, medium fish and new recruits.

I have only encountered one small lake (probably less than 3-400 acres) where the predator/prey balance was way out of whack. Lots of big bass and a few decent pike. I take that back, lots of big-headed bass with sunken bellies. Fish that should have weighed 5 pounds, weighed 3. :cry: This being an ongoing situation, I had no qualms at all when my partner took home a limit of these unfortunate fish. This was over 10 years ago, though, and I haven't encountered any other waters in that condition.

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CCB,
Speaking of fish physical characteristics, I have notice Bass that are in deep water lakes (i.e. those holding Lakers) tend not to have those big hanging bellies like you would see in Dog, Cranberry, or other shallow waterways?

Do you think that these fish tend to travel more, possible chancing and following schools of shad and baitfish causing them to stay more trim?


The research regarding the travels of Night Feeding Lunkers were amazing, easily explaining how these fish made it to their large weights. What was it 1/2-1 mile roam area? Texas 10lbers study?

LOL, have to go and get my Stan Sloan Black Light and black spinnerbaits ready for this weekend out of Devil.

Take care,
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Grumpy, hope your path crosses with a couch potato bass, rather than an Atkins poster boy.

Have fun on "your" lake this week!

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