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Something smells fishy about world-record muskie (Wordy!!!)

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Randy Boswell, The Ottawa Citizen
Published: Friday, December 02, 2005
There was pics in this mornings paper but not online. :evil:

A Canadian crime-scene expert has applied his skills to one of the fishing world's most famous and controversial photographs -- a 56-year-old snapshot that shows legendary Wisconsin angler Louis Spray proudly displaying a monster muskie that still holds the record as the biggest ever caught.

Toronto forensics specialist Dan Mills' "photogrammetric" analysis of "Chin-Whiskered Charlie" -- the purported 69-pounder that catapulted Spray to sportfishing stardom -- has exposed it as a probable fraud, prompting an investigation by the U.S.-based Fishing Hall of Fame that could push a Canadian and his 65-pound, Georgian Bay muskellunge a notch closer to angling immortality.

The study has caused an uproar in the proud, piscatory subculture that casts muskie fishing as a kind of mythic quest. Accusations of rank jealousy and anti-Wisconsin intrigue have been hurled at the Illinois-based World Record Muskie Alliance, which sponsored the scientific study of the fish Mr. Spray landed in 1949 (using a rod, reel and rifle) on a lake 500 kilometres northwest of Milwaukee.

Skepticism has surrounded Mr. Spray's claim for decades. But 10 years ago -- after an alleged 69-pound, 15-ounce muskie caught by a New Yorker on the St. Lawrence River in 1957 was ruled a hoax -- Mr. Spray and Chin-Whiskered Charlie took their place as No. 1 in the world.

Then, as the spotlight turned to the Wisconsin catch, lingering doubts grew large among some in the muskie community. Pictures taken in 1949 appeared to show a fish too short and slender to have reached such a tremendous weight.

And stories began circulating that suggested Mr. Spray might have filled his fish with wet sand to boost its prize-winning poundage.

Mr. Spray's taxidermied mount of the '49 fish -- oddly and obviously enhanced from the original -- had been destroyed in a fire. The angler himself was long gone, dead by suicide in 1984. And the rules governing record claims in the mid-20th century were notoriously loose.

So, the muskie alliance supplied vintage photos of the suspect fish to Mr. Mills, a professional surveyor and former Transport Canada investigator who uses physics and various computer measurement technologies to reconstruct traffic accidents, trace bullet trajectories and discern the height of suspected criminals from video surveillance cameras.

"This was definitely my first fish," says Mr. Mills. "It was a unique application of the science I use, but I tackled it the same way I would with any other evidence."

His findings: the muskie Mr. Spray said was 63 inches in length couldn't have been more than 55 inches from snout to tail; and its reported girth of 31.25 inches was not possible given the maximum 10-inch, single-side width calculated by Mr. Mills.

The Muskie Alliance submitted the results to the National Fresh Water Fishing Hall of Fame, a muskie-shaped museum in northern Wisconsin.

Presenting Mr. Mills' data to prove the "physical impossibility" of Charlie's supposed dimensions, and denouncing Mr. Spray's claim as "a fraud of historic proportions," the group urged that the record be scrapped and other massive muskies be considered for the title.

The Hall of Fame has agreed to review Mr. Spray's muskie, which could put Toronto angler Ken O'Brien -- who netted his Canadian-record-setting 65-pound fish in 1988 in Georgian Bay's Blackstone Harbour -- in contention for global supremacy.

Mr. O'Brien's giant is currently third in the world muskellunge rankings behind those caught by Mr. Spray and fellow Wisconsin fisherman Cal Johnson, who recorded a 67-pound, 8-ounce muskie just a few months before Mr. Spray's suspect catch in 1949.

But, for many of the same reasons that the Spray muskie raised doubts among U.S. anglers, Mr. Johnson's fish has come under renewed scrutiny.

Mr. Mills said he has already been approached to analyse snapshots of Mr. Johnson with his prize muskie to determine which kind of whopper the photos depict.

"We know that adding Spray's patently false muskellunge records to the already long list of 'Muskie Crimes of the Century' represents yet another historic disillusionment for the entire muskellunge community," the Muskie Alliance says of its campaign to re-test record-setting fish stories. "Just so everyone is crystal clear on this subject -- it has nothing to do with Mr. Spray, Mr. Johnson or Mr. O'Brien. It's only to help authenticate the brass rings of our sport."
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Other than a couple paragraphs repeating a couple times, a VERY interesting read.
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kodiak wrote:Other than a couple paragraphs repeating a couple times, a VERY interesting read.
Thanks Frank, cleaned it up darn cutting and pasting :evil:

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I see jealousy is the driving force here. Just because they can't catch one that big they have to find a way to make it easier. I am sure there are 80 pounders of there...why haven't they been caught? Easy, you think they got there by luck? NOPE!

It could have weigh it, they shouldn't abolish it as there is no way to know for sure. You can't test the desnity of the fish with a picture nor can you accuratley calculate the weight. You can get close but you can't know for sure. Even if they can get within 5 pounds; he could still have the record...

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Post by muskymuskymusky »

scttsmpsn wrote:I see jealousy is the driving force here. Just because they can't catch one that big they have to find a way to make it easier. I am sure there are 80 pounders of there...why haven't they been caught? Easy, you think they got there by luck? NOPE!

It could have weigh it, they shouldn't abolish it as there is no way to know for sure. You can't test the desnity of the fish with a picture nor can you accuratley calculate the weight. You can get close but you can't know for sure. Even if they can get within 5 pounds; he could still have the record...

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You cant denie the fact that he lied about the length and girth if its been proven by science. I mean with technology of today the scientist surely can tell how long the fish really was and the girth for that matter. If he lied about the LxG then he surely lied about the weight.

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I would have to see the pics though I think. If they only had a side shot; how could they really know how thick it was. Even still, would they not need to have some sort of a reference point to figure the length. If the estimate the guy to be 6 feet tall and base it off that, weel they are starting off an estimate. I don't have all the information for me to conclude. It is a possibility; he could ahve had a cheap scale that read 69 which means he never lied just that his scale was off. Did he use a cattle scale or something like that. It is a possiblity for sure no doubt about it.. But there is also a possibility that the guys who are questioning it could be wrong due to an exact starting point. I think it could all lie in the scale he used...we will never know for sure. This is clear; until we develop the time machine...

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It is not about jealousy, I could care less who holds the record, but I do care that it is actually a record fish. Anybody who targets muskie can tell you just from the photo that fish is not as big as reported. I know us muskies guy's can be critical of catches, lets face it some people are full of it, that embellishment reflects negatively on the entire muskie community.

O'briens fish (caught on a 5" rapala) is likely the record fish. I would rather see someone, anyone, catch a verified 70#er just so all of this nonsense will come to an end

For anyone intrested in a little more info on this subject

http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/f ... 86&start=1


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Scott,muskies dont get that big,they dont grow to 70,80 pounds and I suspect 65 might be un-attainable,no jealousy has nothing to do with it.

Jealousy is not the reason for the creation of the WRMA
Reality and truth
Actually anyone who has ever caught a 30 pounder will see what the meaning of capturing such a fish truelly is.

We are living in the Golden age of muskie fishing
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I am sure that there are muskies out there that could hit 70 pounds; it's just extremely rare. Just because noone has caught one on record does not mean it is not possible.

I am not question having the WMRA; it is good to see groups like this. I just find it funny that they are going to overturn a record that they cannot prove 100%. I know they can get clsoe, and I know the current record might be fake but there is no way to know for sure.

Case in point; look at the record brook trout. The record has existed since 1916 and weighed 14.5 pounds. Someone may say they do not get that big well this one did...it's just rare.

I think they should spend more time trying to cath the 70 pounder that is looming instead of trying to make it easier for them to set a new record.

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